User talk:Mayu Miyuki

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Happy editing, Dopp (help forum | blog) 08:50, May 18, 2012

Nice to hear from you too.
This wiki will be for info that won't be allowed at Aselia, like the english voice actors/actresses involved in certiain games. I just do not see why that should be a big issue.

Also, I took the time to read the manual of style and found it correct. Next time I edit something I'll look up the facts in the MoS and correct it before I distribute it. I still have that thing about Alice's past in Meltokio in my head, even though it was cruel in the first part.

One part you should have noticed was that the Temple of Earth article did not have the Symphonia Location template, so I added that. And the next time I go there I'll do this:

Emil

for every name I first come across in that article. And there is the matter of the Monster Ally data that needs to be filled.

Anyway, I am sorry I lost my temper. It looks like that is one thing in common between the two of us. At the very least, when I come back, I will be like Luke and change for the better. But I will not get used to this manual of style.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 10:12, May 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * You really don't get it, no matter how I try to drill it into your thick skull. Voice actor names have to be cited with a legitimate source. Your ears are not a legitimate source. If you -do- have a legitimate source, then the voice actor names can be listed. But you do not, which is why they have been removed every time you attempted to add them into those pages.


 * But that's not the point of this other issue here. This wiki is a duplication. It's not about info being allowed elsewhere or not. You are diverting effort away from Aselia, and now I have to keep tabs on this wiki as well as with Aselia. You are also forcing links to be diverted away from Aselia, which should exist as the singular resource of info because of the level of completion that Aselia is already at. This wiki should stay abandoned so that search engines do not start taking people to pages which have little to no info compared to Aselia.


 * And I keep saying this, but if you really want to propogate your assumptions of voice actor names, go to GameFAQs and contribute there. Do not try to update a wiki which diverts effort away from the one which should be focused on.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:25, May 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * Regarding:
 * It's not about info being allowed elsewhere or not.
 * Isn't that sort of a major consideration here when we're not able to make articles about aspects of the Tales universe (like the monsters, equipment, etc)? Being able to develope a wiki in main article space is a valuable tool. Otherwise I'm not sure what people are expected to do, build it on userspace and move it out? +Yc 05:47, January 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * And I have not added said information since. But since your here I wanna talk about an idea I had. Why not make Aselia official and call it Aseliapedia, you know, kinda like Bulbapedia. We will not copy any info from you and come up with out own. Tales will be an unofficial wikia while Aselia will still be official.
 * Unless you do not want to, in which case I understand. I will just use this as a practice wiki to try out the Manual of Style's way of editing.


 * In case you can not tell I am trying out one of the rules of Aselia's wiki: Avoiding Contractions. It is a bitt different but I am starting to get used to it. That does not mean I will use this writing style on Pokemon Wikia and Winx Wikia though.


 * And I wish I could contribute to GAMEFAQS but do you not need an account there? Just curious. Give this some thought though and do not rush. And you do not need to keep track of this wiki if you do not want to.
 * 145Zapdos.pngd, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx ClubHeartGold SoulSilver Sabrina.png 12:48, May 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * Aselia...pedia. Uh. Aside from the effort of changing the name from something widely recognized to something ridiculously tacky, it tacks on unnecessary characters to the URL to make it longer. Surely you realize why this is a bad thing in the modern world of information technology. Again, we will not compare ourselves to other unrelated wiki sites, and I do not care what their names and policies are. Regardless, no Tales-based wiki is "official" because none exist which are managed by Bandai Namco Games JP, nor by Namco Hometek. Even the official Tales forum is only "official" because it is hosted on Hometek's servers, though the higher ups have forgotten that it existed since shortly after the time that RadiMai was released.


 * So no, Aselia is an "unofficial" wiki and will stay that way because we do not break laws on copyright infringement by pretending to be what we are not. And this one is a "duplicate" wiki and will stay that way for as long as you contribute here, preventing it from being merged into Aselia to prevent confusion by the masses. You are propogating this confusion by using this wiki as a sandbox, seeing how you think of this site as a "practice wiki". And if Namdai JP or Namco Hometek were to make an "official" wiki, -Aselia- would probably be the one to get the cease and desist order, and we would comply with it too. Would you do the same? Judging by your continued actions here, you would not.


 * Also, since this discussion has already been translpanted onto my talk page instead of keeping the comments flowing on a single page, I want to have input from the other users on this page now, since I am told that action cannot take place without community agreement as to the continued existence of this wiki. So to the two other users, make your thoughts known on this page, and be aware that by contributing here, you are taking away your own efforts from contributing to Aselia. If you work on two places at once, you are giving yourselves more work instead of devoting that same amount of additional work to a single place. And because of this, you are leaving us with one mediocre wiki and one atrocious wiki (guess which one is Aselia), instead of one semi-decent wiki which gets the combined benefits of everyone's time and effort.


 * Also, yes I do need to keep track of this wiki. It is more than obvious that I do not want to, but it is too late for wants as soon as you are involved. You are editing here, and I must make sure of -what- you are editing to be sure of what you are trying to accomplish, and to avoid conflicts with Aselia's content. This is the sad and pitiful role that I have, and as much as I hate it, I hate other things even more. Guess what those things are.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 00:19, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * I see. Well I do agree with one rule on Aselia: No Hentai. And I will not argue with you any more on these matters. The ban is still in effect until Thursday. And I will promise you this, no more info without official sources, no contractions, and I will follow the Manual of Style to the letter the best I can. Rest assured, this wiki will be gone and the info will die with it.
 * 145Zapdos.pngd, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx ClubHeartGold SoulSilver Sabrina.png 02:15, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

Abandoned Factory Info Lacking
I just spotted an article about the Abandoned Factory in "Tales of the Abyss" and it is in desperate need of information. Once my ban is lifted I wish to add more to it than just two paragraphs. Here is my idea. It would also be a good test for me to see what I have learned.:

Natalia Joins the Party
Upon entering the factory Guy explains to the group that by taking that path they should make it to safety, followed by Jade and Tear's statements about how, since it was a factory, there would be places to dispose of waste water, and Guy states that since the sewage pumps do not work they should make it through.

Suddenly a mysterious voice compliments guy and it turns out it was Natalia, dressed in a more appropriate outfit for travelling. She says she wants to travel with Luke and the others but Luke says the outside world is no place for a spolied little girl. She then gives a rebuttle by saying that three years ago she paid a visit to northern Chesedonia to encorage Kimlascan troops and she is ready to fight. Anise counters by saying that raising morale and fighting are two different things and that she should stay behindm and Guy and Tear agrees with her, with Guy saying she would be better off staying at the castle. Natalia counters by saying she is a master of Lanvaldear-style archery and a studied healer and that she will be more useful than Tear or Anise, with the latter threatening to kill her for insulting her and with her saying she demonstrated her lack of refinement causing Tear to get annoyed by the pointless arguing and causing her to say "This is some princess". Jade and Guy make snide comments and Luke telling her nor to follow them, but then she blackmails him into taking her along by saing she overheard what he and Van were talking about back at the castle, and Luke makes her pinky swear not to tell the others about Luke escaping to Daath which she stated he used to hate.

When Luke says Natalia will join them, the others just stare at him and Tear saying she could not believe he would do that. Luke rebuttles by saying he is the ambassador and what he says goes. Natalis also asks the others not to be so formal around her and call her by her name

Inside the Factory
. Further in Natalia gets ahead of the group and Luke tells her to slow down and Anise makes a rude remark about her saying that for aprincess, she has the stamina of a farmhand, to with she glares at her asking if she said something and Anise replies by saying "Nothing". Natalia also mentions that Ion was kidnapped a short while ago and they should hurry, but Tear says the area is still dark so they should be cautious. Guy begs her to walk slowly, but makes the mistake of calling her "Your Highness". Jade states that thy should work as a team and not cater to her needs, to which she agrees and apologizes, which surprised Anise which continued the animosity between them, which still annoyed Tear.

Near the end of the tunnel, the group notices a strange smell, and Jade supects it to be a monster. Tear then pushes Natalia out of the way when the monster, known as the Abanddon, drops in on the group and fights with them. After the battle, Jade discovers the oil from the factory mutated the spider due to fonon activity. Natalia then thanks Tear for saving her life and apologized for the trouble she caused everyone. Suddenly Guy notices an emergency exit and they take it.

Confronting Asch Face to Face
After escaping the factory the group encounter Sync and Asch and when Luke charges at them, Asch blocks and Luke is shocked to see he has the same face as him. Everyone is also surprised to see this and Jade had his suspicions.

Synch reminds Asch that Ion comes first and he decides to let them go and escapes. Luke was contemplating on why Asch looked like him. He then decides to take Natalia and head to the oasis.

Six Catalyst Weapons
Later on, at the highest point of the factory, Luke and the group find another one of the six Catalyst Weapons, the Holy Quelquatl, a bow that uses the sixth fonon, used by Natalia.

What do you think? Be honest if you need to.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 12:59, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

Hated role
If it's annoying to monitor this wiki perhaps since it's so small (12 pages) you could move to adopt it and then just redirect the URL to aselia? +Yc 06:20, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * I must post a message to "you" on -that- wiki asking for permission to close it down because it's what Wikia Central requires from us to enable sites to be merged.

In that case I provide my approval and consent to the process of closing down Tales.wikia and redirecting that URL to the extensive Aselia.wikia site which is as far as I can tell the best and most extensive wiki on the Tales series as a whole. (Here) is the link to the editing diff if you want to provide a URL to object to me being used as opposition to closing this. +Yc 00:51, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

I withdraw the support for this, confidence in Aselia has been damaged. I think a wiki in development should allow more freedom for extensive coverage of the universe and a more polite interaction with users.

Aselia is a very impressive database and may continue to be the best wiki about the Tales series for years or even decades to come. You've done an amazing job building what is there. But I believe in keeping open potential and I think potential is squelched by constantly deleting pages simply for not being as detailed as you'd like them to be. A safe place should exist for people to build canonical things.

Wikis need to be run by communities. In our communication has been a frightening amount of hostility. Commanding people not to use talk pages, not to discuss policy, etc. These are things nobody, not even a bureaucrat or founder, should be doing. While ultimately these are the ones who enforce policy and make the changes, they are supposed to do so with community input, and with polite discourse with editors about it.

I don't want to import your excellent Aselia pages, but I think it would be interesting to see what potential this 'duplicate' might attain if people built new ones from scratch. They might end up being small and unpretty, but they may also potentially cover information which Aselia doesn't due to being more inclusive.

I will read Aselia and follow your instructions there regarding not creating new pages, and see if I might eventually know any information to improve articles there (like I said, you do a great job, so one really must dig to find holes) but for what I'm looking to detail, and what I'm able to find, I'll create that content here.

This wiki can serve a distinct purpose of filling in what Aselia will not allow. By that I mean monsters, not hentai, of course. ;) +Yc 05:47, January 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * And guess what, I acted the same way before I took on admin roles. The admin label only exists to combat vandalism, and otherwise changes nothing about how I act and have acted before. And if you take the time to observe my descent into madness, perhaps you would see things in the same light. Hostility is deserved, especially if this is the kind of reaction that you have. Be assured that this site will be strictly monitored just as it is on Aselia, and that you have effectively doubled my workload by doing this. You are not content with being a negative contributor. You have to pluralize it, multiply it, make the negative greater in absolute value, instead of just leaving things at the meager positive progression that we have. Unforgiveable.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 08:23, January 31, 2013 (UTC)