User talk:Karapposan

=2012=

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Happy editing, Dopp (help forum | blog) 3:02, May 18, 2012

Welcome.
Let me be the first to say Welcome to the Tales Wiki. Yes we are new and I just figured out how to use templates. One major difference is that while Aselia has Blue in their infoboxes, we will have purple ones.

Mayu will probably calm down in a day or two. And since we have no Admins I will probably be the first one. Just need to make enough edits to do so.

Anyway, adding Tales of the Abyss info will really get this wiki going. My least favorite part was when Luke was shunned from the group for destroying Akzeriuth, but one of my fave parts was when Luke decided to change himself. My most fave character is Arietta the Wild. But you have to wonder, if she's 16, why does she look like a little kid?

Anyway, this is a freelance wiki so you can add whatever info you want and whatever pics you want. But for Seles' profile here we'll have to use a different pic of her, something like her being held captive by Alice.

But I think I'll put you in charge of all Tales of the Abyss info. I have that for the 3DS and I'm on my third playthrough. Missed the Carnilian Robe.

Also, while I was going on my editing rampage, updating the info on locations in Symphonia with forgotten details I noticed that the Temple of Earth article didn't have the Symphonia Locations template. So I added that at the bottom.

Hmm... Maybe if I give you my stuff in the blog for you to look over or give you a preview before I hand something in and show me where I go wrong (I read the manual of Style today btw) maybe the Aselia wiki can be better. Like with the Monster Ally data, in which I added the level an stage 1, 2 or ultimate form monster changes back into it's basic form. For example, if you feed a Level 55 Mandocello, it will evolve (or de-evolve) into Filifolia to start anew.

Kinda hard to find an interview with Voice Actress Tara Sands. But I doubt a reply to a fan letter is a good source too. I'll work on Symphonia and Dawn of the New World info. Guess I'd better get a copy of the original Symphonia for research.

Well, hope to hear from you again, and not a word of this to Mayu.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 04:17, May 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * Duh, she'll be very angry to hear this. I'm also not a double-agent. I only do everything neutrally. I'm not on Mayu's side, nor your side. But I'll help you edit this wiki. From now on, yoroshiku onegaishimasu!

GamerGirlzPS2 04:28, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

What does that mean? And I think she found out.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 10:14, May 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ah, it means "I'm looking forward to work with you" kind of line. Anyway, maybe you can reconcile with Mayu. She should've calmed down by now. :) Glad to be of help.

GamerGirlzPS2 14:51, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

And I am glad. I actually talked to her. Still mad. I caused her some problems around like adding info without citing sources or improper sourcing citations. She never got mad when I added stats for monsters obtained after making pacts. And she did not get mad when I added the Symphonia Locations template in the Temple of Earth article.

And I had a bit of fun with Presea's infochart. I changed the colors to Orange and Brown. Why I did that? In Dawn of the New World, Presea was assigned the Earth element and Earth was brown and orange. Brown for the background, Orange for Solum's core. I plan on making the other Symphonia Protagonists like this only Emil will be Dark, Marta and Colette will be Light, Raine and Regal will be Water, Genis will be Ice, Sheena will be Wind and Lloyd will be Fire. I will also apply this for the Summon Spirits, and Tenebrae and Aqua. It would be kinda creative that way, do you not think so?

I am practising writing without using contractions for when I return. How do you think I am doing? I did this when I was talking to Mayu. One rule I agree with the MoS: No Hentai. Good call on her part, and I would NEVER think of posting pics like that. I strongly enforce that rule on the Winx Wiki. I will tell her from now on, no more info without checking sources, and to write properly. I will try to do this once the ban is lifted.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 19:41, May 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * Too bad that I'm not really familiar with ToS: DotNW. But that idea is not bad at all. It's interesting. Although, I think maybe you should apply that to the Summon Spirits first, since we don't know the exact element of the protagonists.


 * It's a good thing that you were able to reconcile with her, or maybe not. It's nice to progress little by little, like me. When I was in the same situation as you, I got really angry since Mayu is always pissed off with my edits. Lucky thing she didn't ban me. I read the MoS, and I knew how to write properly. When I do that, Mayu stopped getting on my nerves. Well, from now on, just do your best. If you need anything, I'll see what I can do to help. Wish you good luck! :)


 * GamerGirlzPS2 17:14, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

Actually...
There is something you can do for me. I need you to look this over and see what can be done so it can follow the Manual of Style.

Natalia Joins the Party
Upon entering the factory Guy explains to the group that by taking that path they should make it to safety, followed by Jade and Tear's statements about how, since it was a factory, there would be places to dispose of waste water, and Guy states that since the sewage pumps do not work they should make it through.

Suddenly a mysterious voice compliments guy and it turns out it was Natalia, dressed in a more appropriate outfit for travelling. She says she wants to travel with Luke and the others but Luke says the outside world is no place for a spolied little girl. She then gives a rebuttle by saying that three years ago she paid a visit to northern Chesedonia to encorage Kimlascan troops and she is ready to fight. Anise counters by saying that raising morale and fighting are two different things and that she should stay behindm and Guy and Tear agrees with her, with Guy saying she would be better off staying at the castle. Natalia counters by saying she is a master of Lanvaldear-style archery and a studied healer and that she will be more useful than Tear or Anise, with the latter threatening to kill her for insulting her and with her saying she demonstrated her lack of refinement causing Tear to get annoyed by the pointless arguing and causing her to say "This is some princess". Jade and Guy make snide comments and Luke telling her nor to follow them, but then she blackmails him into taking her along by saing she overheard what he and Van were talking about back at the castle, and Luke makes her pinky swear not to tell the others about Luke escaping to Daath which she stated he used to hate.

When Luke says Natalia will join them, the others just stare at him and Tear saying she could not believe he would do that. Luke rebuttles by saying he is the ambassador and what he says goes. Natalis also asks the others not to be so formal around her and call her by her name

Inside the Factory
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Further in Natalia gets ahead of the group and Luke tells her to slow down and Anise makes a rude remark about her saying that for aprincess, she has the stamina of a farmhand, to with she glares at her asking if she said something and Anise replies by saying "Nothing". Natalia also mentions that Ion was kidnapped a short while ago and they should hurry, but Tear says the area is still dark so they should be cautious. Guy begs her to walk slowly, but makes the mistake of calling her "Your Highness". Jade states that thy should work as a team and not cater to her needs, to which she agrees and apologizes, which surprised Anise which continued the animosity between them, which still annoyed Tear.

Near the end of the tunnel, the group notices a strange smell, and Jade supects it to be a monster. Tear then pushes Natalia out of the way when the monster, known as the Abanddon, drops in on the group and fights with them. After the battle, Jade discovers the oil from the factory mutated the spider due to fonon activity. Natalia then thanks Tear for saving her life and apologized for the trouble she caused everyone. Suddenly Guy notices an emergency exit and they take it.

Confronting Asch Face to Face
After escaping the factory the group encounter Sync and Asch and when Luke charges at them, Asch blocks and Luke is shocked to see he has the same face as him. Everyone is also surprised to see this and Jade had his suspicions.

Synch reminds Asch that Ion comes first and he decides to let them go and escapes. Luke was contemplating on why Asch looked like him. He then decides to take Natalia and head to the oasis.

Six Catalyst Weapons
Later on, at the highest point of the factory, Luke and the group find another one of the six Catalyst Weapons, the Holy Quelquatl, a bow that uses the sixth fonon, used by Natalia.

Well?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 21:30, May 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay. First off; if you want to link those names, make sure that they aren't mentioned earlier in the article. Also, you have to write the full name if you want to link them. Afterwards, no need to.


 * Second; when I read this, it's like reading a walkthrough. You don't need to write a walkthrough in an encyclopedia. Erase that six catalyst weapon section. They should be in their own article.


 * Third; Aside from reading a walkthrough, you write it as if you're writing a story. No need to be so elaborate. Erase the statements that are not really needed. That also depends on where you will put this article. Are you going to put it in the article Abandoned Factory, or Luke's story? If you're going to put them in the article Abandoned Factory, you don't need to tell the whole story that happened in that area. After the statement, "head to the oasis", the article should stop there, since the Abandoned Factory isn't going to be visited anymore. If you're going to put it in Luke's story, you have to focus on Luke's attitude in the factory.


 * N.B; The conversation isn't really needed (except for the main point). Like "the mysterious voice part". Just write that it is Natalia. Also, what do you mean by "that path"? You need to elaborate that one. Like, what kind of path is that. You also don't need to write "dressed in a more appropriate outfit for travelling." Just write that she wore a different outfit. The "Guy states", or "Tear says" parts are not really needed either. Make the main point from those two's conversation, and write it into a statement.


 * That's all I can share. I can't fully guarantee 100% that Mayu won't delete this article. But maybe she'll edit it. If you have problems, please tell me. Glad to be of help.


 * GamerGirlzPS2 11:10, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

Here.

Natalia Joins the Party
Upon entering the factory Guy Cecil explains to the group that by taking that path they should make it to safety, followed by Jade Curtis and Tear Grants' statements about how, since it was a factory, there would be places to dispose of waste water, and Guy states that since the sewage pumps do not work they should make it through.

Suddenly Natalia Luzu Kimlasca-Lanvaldear compliments Guy, who followed them and was dressed in her traveling clothes. She says she wants to travel with Luke Fon Fabre and the others but Luke tells her the outside world is no place for a spolied little girl. She then gives a rebuttle by saying that three years ago she paid a visit to northern Chesedonia to encorage Kimlascan troops and she is ready to fight. Anise Tatlin counters her point by saying that raising morale and fighting are two different things and that she should stay behind and Guy and Tear agree with her. Natalia counters by saying she is a master of Lanvaldear-style archery and a studied healer and that she will be more useful than Tear or Anise, with the latter threatening to kill her for insulting her. Luke tells her not to follow them, but then she blackmails him into taking her along by saing she overheard what he and Van Grants were talking about back at the castle, and Luke makes her pinky swear not to tell the others about Luke escaping to Daath which she stated he used to hate.

When Luke tells everyone Natalia will join them, the others just stare at him. Natalia also asks the others not to be so formal around her and call her by her name.

Inside the Factory
.

Further in Natalia gets ahead of the group and Luke tells her to slow down. Natalia mentions that Ion was kidnapped a short while ago and they should hurry, but Tear says the area is still dark so they should be cautious. Jade states that thy should work as a team and not cater to her needs, to which she agrees and apologizes.

Near the end of the tunnel, the group notices a strange smell, and Jade supects it to be a monster. Tear then pushes Natalia out of the way when the monster, known as the Abanddon, drops in on the group and fights them. After the battle, Jade discovers the oil from the factory mutated the monster due to fonon activity. Natalia then thanks Tear for saving her life and apologized for the trouble she caused everyone. Suddenly Guy notices an emergency exit and they take it.

Confronting Asch Face to Face
After escaping the factory the group encounter Sync and Asch and when Luke charges at them, Asch blocks and Luke is shocked to see he has the same face as him. Everyone is also surprised to see this and Jade had his suspicions.

Synch reminds Asch that Ion comes first and he decides to let them go and escapes. Luke was contemplating on why Asch looked like him. He then decides to take Natalia and head to the oasis.

Tweaked the article and got the Summon Spirit Info charts. What do you think?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 12:29, May 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * The infocharts are nice. They're interesting. :D The article is better now. But, you must realize that this article is mostly talking about Natalia. Like, how she acts in the factory. If you're gonna write like that, you'll have to write it in Natalia's own article. If in Abandoned Factory's article, then shorten it a little more.


 * "Natalia also asks the others not to be so formal around her and call her by her name." This part can be deleted.


 * "Suddenly Natalia Luzu Kimlasca-Lanvaldear compliments Guy, who followed them and was dressed in her traveling clothes. She says she wants to travel with Luke Fon Fabre and the others but Luke tells her the outside world is no place for a spolied little girl. She then gives a rebuttle by saying that three years ago she paid a visit to northern Chesedonia to encorage Kimlascan troops and she is ready to fight. Anise Tatlin counters her point by saying that raising morale and fighting are two different things and that she should stay behind and Guy and Tear agree with her. Natalia counters by saying she is a master of Lanvaldear-style archery and a studied healer and that she will be more useful than Tear or Anise, with the latter threatening to kill her for insulting her. Luke tells her not to follow them, but then she blackmails him into taking her along by saying she overheard what he and Van Grants were talking about back at the castle, and Luke makes her pinky swear not to tell the others about Luke escaping to Daath which she stated he used to hate." Can you shorten this part? Just write that they have an argument or something. If there's a long conversation, don't write all of them.


 * Still, I can't determine the result.


 * Oh yeah. Shouldn't electric element be colored yellow? For light element, I guess you can color it silver or white.


 * GamerGirlzPS2 14:09, May 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * All character infoboxes will be uniform. You will not use different colors for any infoboxes. Different colors are relegated to different types of content, such as arte lists, title lists, passive skill lists, equipment/weapon lists, consumable item/food/recipe lists, and game system lists. One user tried to invent colors for characters on their individual templates before, and not only were they an eyesore, they often do not fit the character in any way other than their hair color, which is ridiculous. We do not need variation for the sake of variation. We need consistency for the sake of consistency. Everything was reverted, on all 100+ characters that exist in this whole series. Imagine how much work I had to do to bring that negative contribution back up to zero. So stop trying to make changes unilaterally - follow our formatting rules in the MoS. Our formatting rules say that all characters should use the CharInfo template to display their vital information. There will be no exceptions to this until it is put to discussion ON Aselia.


 * If you want to propose changes, you will propose it to the people on the wiki with your view of the benefits and advantages, AND ON THE WIKI ITSELF, and it will be decided upon as a group, or at least among the people who care enough to add any input. Now stop discussing Aselia matters outside of Aselia, because it is as if you are talking behind our backs about such things. THIS is why I am forced to watch this wiki now against my will. Instead, let's talk about THIS wiki, and its closure as it should be discussed by everyone on THIS wiki who cares enough to add input here. Or it would have been on that page if discussions were kept in one place to avoid switching back and forth between different user talk pages, as the discussion apparently moved here.


 * Oh, and elemental properties are a very bad thing to add to infoboxes, because every game has a widely different system of elements. Some games classify Lightning as its own element, or as Light, or as Wind, or as Fire/Wind, or as Paralysis. Yes, Paralysis is the literal element name in Graces. Or more accurately, there -are no elements- in Graces, and "Lightning-themed" spells just have a chance to deal the Paralysis status ailment, the same way "Wind-themed" spells in the same game can deal Poison. Yet the same "Wind-themed" spells deal Waste in Destiny PS2, whereas "Fire-themed" spells are what deal Poison, instead of Burn as in Graces. Very little is consistent when it comes to elemental properties in the Tales series, so it would be ridiculous to think that colors should be associated with any such element, much less should anything be listed as an element outside of the context of its own game. Again, this idea to include an "Element" entry into the infoboxes was proposed in the past and agreed against because of this very same issue of Tales inconsistency.


 * As for asking people to check your content for you... the easiest thing is always to just not add anything ever, but I know you will not go for that option of least resistance. What I fail to understand is how if you do not receive any reply to something, you immediately go off to someone else and ask for input. This is wholly unwarranted because what you are asking for deserves no comment in the first place! If you were to add such text in, I would just treat it as yet another bit of janatorial garbage to clean up, and it will be cleaned up the way a janitor would, with extreme prejudice.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 14:53, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

@Mayu: I can't propose my view. You banned me for a week, remember? We will discuss closure of THIS wiki when I return from my ban.

As for why I ask people to check my info for me, it is so that I can make a final draft to publish on the wiki that follows the MoS, but you never replied to my info for the "Abandoned Factory" article until today. Here:

Natalia Joins the Party
Upon entering the factory Guy Cecil explains to the group that by taking that path they should make it to safety, followed by Jade Curtis and Tear Grants' statements about how, since it was a factory, there would be places to dispose of waste water, and Guy states that since the sewage pumps do not work they should make it through.

Suddenly Natalia Luzu Kimlasca-Lanvaldear compliments Guy, who followed them and was dressed in her traveling clothes. She says she wants to travel with Luke Fon Fabre and the others but Luke tells her the outside world is no place for a spolied little girl. She then blackmails him into taking her along by saying she overheard what he and Van Grants were talking about back at the castle, and Luke makes her pinky swear not to tell the others about Luke escaping to Daath which she stated he used to hate.

When Luke tells everyone Natalia will join them, the others just stare at him. Natalia also asks the others not to be so formal around her and call her by her name.

Inside the Factory
. Further in Natalia gets ahead of the group and Luke tells her to slow down. Natalia mentions that Ion was kidnapped a short while ago and they should hurry, but Tear says the area is still dark so they should be cautious. Jade states that thy should work as a team and not cater to her needs, to which she agrees and apologizes.

Near the end of the tunnel, the group notices a strange smell, and Jade supects it to be a monster. Tear then pushes Natalia out of the way when the monster, known as the Abanddon, drops in on the group and fights them. After the battle, Jade discovers the oil from the factory mutated the monster due to fonon activity. Natalia then thanks Tear for saving her life and apologized for the trouble she caused everyone. Suddenly Guy notices an emergency exit and they take it.

Confronting Asch Face to Face
After escaping the factory the group encounter Sync and Asch and when Luke charges at them, Asch blocks and Luke is shocked to see he has the same face as him. Everyone is also surprised to see this and Jade had his suspicions.

Synch reminds Asch that Ion comes first and he decides to let them go and escapes. Luke was contemplating on why Asch looked like him. He then decides to take Natalia and head to the oasis.

A sort of final draft, with your approval.

@Gamergirlz:

"Suddenly Natalia Luzu Kimlasca-Lanvaldear compliments Guy, who followed them and was dressed in her traveling clothes. She says she wants to travel with Luke Fon Fabre and the others but Luke tells her the outside world is no place for a spolied little girl. She then blackmails him into taking her along by saing she overheard what he and Van Grants were talking about back at the castle, and Luke makes her pinky swear not to tell the others about Luke escaping to Daath which she stated he used to hate."

How's this?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 15:13, May 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * @Winxfan Yup, it's better I guess. Oh, and it's "saying" not "saing". :).
 * @Mayu Whoa there. I would rather not fight here. I'm tired just from editing this and Aselia's page. He's just asking for an advice and input from someone else. Why does it bother you so much? No offence, but If I were you, I wouldn't have any problem with that. He's just trying to write better, as the MoS says. And if the users don't add anything ever, the wikia will NEVER be updated. Sorry if I had to be a little rude here.


 * GamerGirlzPS2 17:16, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Gamer. I appreciate that. Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 18:10, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

=2013=

Openness
I am wondering, have you felt that you are allowed to contribute to the other wiki? I'm wondering if perhaps this one could serve as an alternative space for pages that keep getting deleted.

I'm not opposed admins from Aselia exporting content from here, perhaps this could serve as developmental territory for unimportant/stub articles until they are improved to a high enough quality that Aselia accepts them? +Yc 05:17, January 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * Never, since we do not accept copied content from anywhere, Wikipedia or otherwise. And as soon as I see you copying stuff from us, your banhammer will be swift. Believe me, I've been monitoring this site, and your edits will not escape my eyes. Rather, you gave me even MORE things to distract my focus, good job as always.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 08:12, January 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * And it's like you don't understand that first-level headers cause browser problems. Links within headers also cause problems with page rendering. I dunno, maybe I should let you prevent others from even loading pages at all by continuing to do this without my interference. But it makes me unnecessarily angry that you refuse to acknowledge accessibility issues, no matter what the site is.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 08:14, January 31, 2013 (UTC)